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  • stevo
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    Thanks Anny. I'm sorry I missed your text yesterday and you have one waiting this morning from me on a personal thing.

    Been a hectic week for me and I've only had my phone for internet mostly. YUK!

    Norm will PM and post if we are doing anything and I just wanted to wish everyone luck one last time. 6:30 here and I don't honestly know when I'll be back to normal.

    Whatever happens it was fun.

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  • analyzer
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    Regarding IF bets. I think Cwissy asked about those early on and I think we said no.

    Regarding alternate lines. We were allowing whatever full game or 1H lines BM and BOL posted. There were a number of college bowl games that I used an alternate line. Instead of say -14.5 at -110, I paid like -270 to have it at -10.5 or something similar. I know I paid a heavy price, and it didn't work out very well, but BOL posted it, so I used it.

    If someone wants to bet SF - 7.5 and get plus money, whatever it is, or SF +7.5 and pay the extra juice, I would say that's allowable, as long as it is posted on BOL or BM.

    Lines fluctuate all the time. It's not uncommon for one person to have -5.5 -110, and someone else later is paying -4.5 -120. Stuff like that has gone on all season. An alternate line isn't much different, you're just paying alot more juice. If you want to take SF -14.5 at +500 or whatever it is. So be it.

    The original concept of the contest was to leave it fairly wide open, to see what handicapping strategy players could come up with to win the contest.

    I had ruled out IF bets, because it's essentially betting money you don't have in your account yet. I know it's not a lot different than a parlay, but if someone can bet 1H under, and then roll their win on the same full game under, that's very correlated, and I don't want to allow it.

    I think it would be a good idea for people to take a picture of the line they saw, hopefully with the computer date and time in the photo. You are PMng your plays, so its tough for anyone else to check the validity of your play. By taking a picture, if anyone had any question, you could just load up the picture.

    We've been doing this on the honor system all year, and no one has questioned lines. There have been a couple mistakes that were caught and corrected, but I don't think anyone has intentionally took advantage. I don't think that's going to change now.

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  • clevfan
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    Originally posted by stevo View Post
    I apologize.

    I'm just trying to find out what's a legal bet or not due to wanting to know what $ amount to bet and if we are allowed to bet Alt lines. If we want to go anything goes Alt spreads good with me. As stated not trying to make things difficult just want to get rules straight because I won't be around and would like to decide. I'll leave the math up to Norm.

    No bigge. Have fun boys.
    No need to apologize...Iā€™m just laughing at how a simple contest got so complicated... Norm is over thinking it lol

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  • stevo
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    I apologize.

    I'm just trying to find out what's a legal bet or not due to wanting to know what $ amount to bet and if we are allowed to bet Alt lines. If we want to go anything goes Alt spreads good with me. As stated not trying to make things difficult just want to get rules straight because I won't be around and would like to decide. I'll leave the math up to Norm.

    No bigge. Have fun boys.

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  • clevfan
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    Originally posted by stevo View Post

    Yes this is just the type of contribution we need to straighten out to have some fun. Chris has said he is good with what others want to do. Norm has said he just want's level playing field so like myself I assume he isn't opposed. We been buying and selling points all contest with no limit. I'm good with it and maybe a cap on alt speads?. Brian who knows......LOL
    And they say women are difficult,sheesh. Why make it so complicated.

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  • stevo
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    Originally posted by DrunkenGoon View Post
    My question: What's the limitations on point spreads? alternate numbers, buying/selling points?
    Yes this is just the type of contribution we need to straighten out to have some fun. Chris has said he is good with what others want to do. Norm has said he just want's level playing field so like myself I assume he isn't opposed. We been buying and selling points all contest with no limit. I'm good with it and maybe a cap on alt speads?. Brian who knows......LOL

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  • stevo
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    O.K. Goon reminded me no 2nd half plays. So you can't use 2nd halves. I'm with Analyzer this is getting a bit confusing mathmatically for me but we are having fun. Thank God Norm does the math.

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  • DrunkenGoon
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    My question: What's the limitations on point spreads? alternate numbers, buying/selling points?

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  • DrunkenGoon
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    I've never done an if bet so I have no idea how they work. I don't think it's an issue because we're not allowing 2H bets in this contest. Best way to do this for all involved, go to BM/BOL, place a $1 bet on your selection, if they allow it, it's good enough for the contest.

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  • stevo
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    Thanks for answering Anny. Could you please give us a fair ruling on the following ? I am not familiar with these as I don't do them. I couldn't find full rules but did look. Your answer or ruling will be respected by everyone here I'm sure.

    Can you do If bets? could you play an If win FH for 8k and if it wins have 16 k then finish with an if parlay on 2nd half and game. Sorry I just don't do these and as you mentioned:

    People are making decisions based on other people's current bankroll.
    So just trying to nail down what is allowed "IF BETS" wise. In 20 years i just never did ONE of these. Not trying to be a pain. We are having fun. Just not sure what is allowed at crunch time and Norm can roll with anything so lets play!

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  • analyzer
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    Here is my opinion:

    1) No, I don't think you should be able to tease 1h bets. I didn't even know that was a thing.
    2) No, I don't think you should be able to make a parlay, with a first half side or total, mixed in a with the same game, full game side or total. For example, you shouldn't be able to parlay 1st half over, with game over. That's too correlated in my opinion, and wouldn't be allowed at a book. No one has done it all year, I don't think we should start now.
    3) yes, I think you can tease a full game total, with a full game side. Just make sure you're betting at the appropriate line.
    4) yes, I think you could parlay a 1h total, with a 1H side. It's been too long, I don't recall whether books allow that or not. I would think so, as long as they don't consider it a correlated play. With this being near a pickem, I would think they would allow it.

    You should be careful not to zero out your balance. That would not be prudent at this point. If 2-9 all finish with zero, they would all chop 2nd place. Seeing as Brian Edwards has disappeared, I doubt he'll even make a play, so you may want to leave yourself at least $1 more than his current balance.

    A small part of me is glad I don't have to figure out the math, on what is the best wager amount. At a glance it gives me a headache. Best of luck to the 3 of you. I'm sure there is a good answer, but I'm not sure what that is. It's different for each of you.

    Nice run AKN/Stevo!!

    I'm a little surprised someone hasn't plunked down on the probowl. I don't think we excluded it.

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  • stevo
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    Thanks Chris. You being in 2nd and answering helps. I am going to assume they we are not allowed to parlay or tease 3 legs on the Superbowl. Books don't allow it and we have not done in in this contest.

    So we are playing under same rules as always for Superbowl unless told otherwise.

    Plenty of time for others to chime in.

    Good luck boys.

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  • csmith
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    Originally posted by AKNorman View Post
    MW Contest ā€“ Level Playing Field


    As I understand it, there are three contestants left in the Fake $10,000 Bankroll MW Contest that have a shot at winning first prize ($1,000 USD) or second prize ($500 USD). They are alphabetically; Christopher Smith, DrunkenGoon and Stevo/Norm. So that all three of us are on a level playing field, I am asking for rulings (not votes) on these issues.


    Stevo/Norm's current Bankroll is $33,052, Christopher Smith's is $20,849 and DrunkenGoon has $14,583 pesetas (or $92.21 USD ā€“ Joking). The first observation is what happens if each of us goes all-in on the same play and it loses. We are then all bankrupt. Will anyone be paid? Thus, knowing what happens in this situation will help us decide our risk amounts.


    The second observation is what plays/parlays are allowed for the final game---The Super Bowl pitting the Kansas City Chiefs against the San Francisco 49ers. Again, as I understand it, we are allowed flat-bets on the money line, the game spread, the first-half over/under total, and the game's over/under total only. Note: Since the current spread is Kansas City -1.0, there really isn't a significant difference, at this time, in the amount wagered/won for a straight-bet on the money line versus the spread.


    We are also allowed 6.0, 6.5 and 7.0 teasers on the side and game total. I'm not experienced enough to know if books, in general, allows teaser combinations with first-half totals included. So, I'm hoping that clevfan, analyzer, Christopher Smith and definitely DrunkenGoon know this answer. Again, I'm assuming that our MW Contest would only allow two-leg teasers and not three-leg teasers.


    The same observation applies to spread parlays. I'm assuming that most books, in general, don't allow money line parlays with totals. Anyway, currently because of just the one game left to bet, we allow two-leg spread parlays on the side and the game's over/under total. What about combinations with with the spread and the first-half over/under total and the game's over/under total? And, can we have a three-leg parlay with the side, first-half over/under total and the game's over/under total? Inquiring minds want to know.


    As near as I can figure, presently, the best payout odds are $13 won for every $5 wagered on a two-leg parlay. I don't care if someone has a way that we can have a $6 to $1 payout, a $10 to $1 payout, or a $100 to $1 payout, so long as we know how this can be done before we post our final plays or PM our final plays to clevfan.


    The only comment that I will make is that I prefer simpler over more complicated combinations. But, I'm good so long as I know what plays/parlays are allowed beforehand. Thank You and Good Night.
    In my experience, for a lot of the situations laid out in this post, it depends on the sportsbook. For example, a lot of sportsbooks don't allow correlated parlays on same-game sides/totals, but some do. I'm not sure about BOL and BM, specifically, in the hypotheticals referenced here. Personally, I'm OK with anyone making whatever bets they like for Super Bowl LIV. I'm not gonna do anything crazy or limit-pushing on mine, but I'm cool with whatever for the other entries.

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  • stevo
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    Bump to top.

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  • AKNorman
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    Thanks stevo for posting that Brian Edwards still has a balance: So.....

    Current Bankroll:

    Stevo/Norm.....$33,052
    Christopher Smith.....$20,849
    DrunkenGoon.....$16,583
    and
    Brian Edwards.....$8,386
    Last edited by stevo; 01-24-2020, 11:39 AM.

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