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  • #16
    Thanks Clev,
    And I vote yes on no more changes to the contest that we have to vote on..

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Big Baller View Post
      Thanks Clev,
      And I vote yes on no more changes to the contest that we have to vote on..
      I think we should vote on that.........LMAO. J/K Baller. Pretty sure it will be smooth from here.

      Hope the hip is feeling good.

      “You have power over your mind – not outside events. Realize this, and you will find strength.”– Marcus Aurelius

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      • #18
        Too late now and it probably won't matter but I should have been given a -$10,000 penalty. You allowed me to wipe that Florida loss off the books.
        Fuck you, Tiger

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        • #19
          Norm has a good ? regarding what exactly can be parlayed etc in one game. So I told him to post it here and then we will know what's allowed.
          “You have power over your mind – not outside events. Realize this, and you will find strength.”– Marcus Aurelius

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          • #20
            MW Contest – Level Playing Field


            As I understand it, there are three contestants left in the Fake $10,000 Bankroll MW Contest that have a shot at winning first prize ($1,000 USD) or second prize ($500 USD). They are alphabetically; Christopher Smith, DrunkenGoon and Stevo/Norm. So that all three of us are on a level playing field, I am asking for rulings (not votes) on these issues.


            Stevo/Norm's current Bankroll is $33,052, Christopher Smith's is $20,849 and DrunkenGoon has $14,583 pesetas (or $92.21 USD – Joking). The first observation is what happens if each of us goes all-in on the same play and it loses. We are then all bankrupt. Will anyone be paid? Thus, knowing what happens in this situation will help us decide our risk amounts.


            The second observation is what plays/parlays are allowed for the final game---The Super Bowl pitting the Kansas City Chiefs against the San Francisco 49ers. Again, as I understand it, we are allowed flat-bets on the money line, the game spread, the first-half over/under total, and the game's over/under total only. Note: Since the current spread is Kansas City -1.0, there really isn't a significant difference, at this time, in the amount wagered/won for a straight-bet on the money line versus the spread.


            We are also allowed 6.0, 6.5 and 7.0 teasers on the side and game total. I'm not experienced enough to know if books, in general, allows teaser combinations with first-half totals included. So, I'm hoping that clevfan, analyzer, Christopher Smith and definitely DrunkenGoon know this answer. Again, I'm assuming that our MW Contest would only allow two-leg teasers and not three-leg teasers.


            The same observation applies to spread parlays. I'm assuming that most books, in general, don't allow money line parlays with totals. Anyway, currently because of just the one game left to bet, we allow two-leg spread parlays on the side and the game's over/under total. What about combinations with with the spread and the first-half over/under total and the game's over/under total? And, can we have a three-leg parlay with the side, first-half over/under total and the game's over/under total? Inquiring minds want to know.


            As near as I can figure, presently, the best payout odds are $13 won for every $5 wagered on a two-leg parlay. I don't care if someone has a way that we can have a $6 to $1 payout, a $10 to $1 payout, or a $100 to $1 payout, so long as we know how this can be done before we post our final plays or PM our final plays to clevfan.


            The only comment that I will make is that I prefer simpler over more complicated combinations. But, I'm good so long as I know what plays/parlays are allowed beforehand. Thank You and Good Night.

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            • #21
              Brian still has 8k also.

              I know books allow Parlays with money lines and totals unless correlated.

              The first observation is what happens if each of us goes all-in on the same play and it loses. We are then all bankrupt. Will anyone be paid?
              Whoever has the most cash at end wins so going full bore all in not a good idea. It's been noted by Analyzer a dollar could win contest.


              My question is this.....

              Basically how many legs can you do on one parlay/teaser in the Superbowl for the whole game in this contest?

              I'm assuming 2 just like the books. That's also what we have been doing so far so I don't want to see any changes really.

              That's all I need to know.

              Thanks:)
              Last edited by stevo; 01-24-2020, 02:21 AM.
              “You have power over your mind – not outside events. Realize this, and you will find strength.”– Marcus Aurelius

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              • #22
                Thanks stevo for posting that Brian Edwards still has a balance: So.....

                Current Bankroll:

                Stevo/Norm.....$33,052
                Christopher Smith.....$20,849
                DrunkenGoon.....$16,583
                and
                Brian Edwards.....$8,386
                Last edited by stevo; 01-24-2020, 11:39 AM.

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                • #23
                  Bump to top.
                  “You have power over your mind – not outside events. Realize this, and you will find strength.”– Marcus Aurelius

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by AKNorman View Post
                    MW Contest – Level Playing Field


                    As I understand it, there are three contestants left in the Fake $10,000 Bankroll MW Contest that have a shot at winning first prize ($1,000 USD) or second prize ($500 USD). They are alphabetically; Christopher Smith, DrunkenGoon and Stevo/Norm. So that all three of us are on a level playing field, I am asking for rulings (not votes) on these issues.


                    Stevo/Norm's current Bankroll is $33,052, Christopher Smith's is $20,849 and DrunkenGoon has $14,583 pesetas (or $92.21 USD – Joking). The first observation is what happens if each of us goes all-in on the same play and it loses. We are then all bankrupt. Will anyone be paid? Thus, knowing what happens in this situation will help us decide our risk amounts.


                    The second observation is what plays/parlays are allowed for the final game---The Super Bowl pitting the Kansas City Chiefs against the San Francisco 49ers. Again, as I understand it, we are allowed flat-bets on the money line, the game spread, the first-half over/under total, and the game's over/under total only. Note: Since the current spread is Kansas City -1.0, there really isn't a significant difference, at this time, in the amount wagered/won for a straight-bet on the money line versus the spread.


                    We are also allowed 6.0, 6.5 and 7.0 teasers on the side and game total. I'm not experienced enough to know if books, in general, allows teaser combinations with first-half totals included. So, I'm hoping that clevfan, analyzer, Christopher Smith and definitely DrunkenGoon know this answer. Again, I'm assuming that our MW Contest would only allow two-leg teasers and not three-leg teasers.


                    The same observation applies to spread parlays. I'm assuming that most books, in general, don't allow money line parlays with totals. Anyway, currently because of just the one game left to bet, we allow two-leg spread parlays on the side and the game's over/under total. What about combinations with with the spread and the first-half over/under total and the game's over/under total? And, can we have a three-leg parlay with the side, first-half over/under total and the game's over/under total? Inquiring minds want to know.


                    As near as I can figure, presently, the best payout odds are $13 won for every $5 wagered on a two-leg parlay. I don't care if someone has a way that we can have a $6 to $1 payout, a $10 to $1 payout, or a $100 to $1 payout, so long as we know how this can be done before we post our final plays or PM our final plays to clevfan.


                    The only comment that I will make is that I prefer simpler over more complicated combinations. But, I'm good so long as I know what plays/parlays are allowed beforehand. Thank You and Good Night.
                    In my experience, for a lot of the situations laid out in this post, it depends on the sportsbook. For example, a lot of sportsbooks don't allow correlated parlays on same-game sides/totals, but some do. I'm not sure about BOL and BM, specifically, in the hypotheticals referenced here. Personally, I'm OK with anyone making whatever bets they like for Super Bowl LIV. I'm not gonna do anything crazy or limit-pushing on mine, but I'm cool with whatever for the other entries.

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                    • #25
                      Thanks Chris. You being in 2nd and answering helps. I am going to assume they we are not allowed to parlay or tease 3 legs on the Superbowl. Books don't allow it and we have not done in in this contest.

                      So we are playing under same rules as always for Superbowl unless told otherwise.

                      Plenty of time for others to chime in.

                      Good luck boys.
                      “You have power over your mind – not outside events. Realize this, and you will find strength.”– Marcus Aurelius

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                      • #26
                        Here is my opinion:

                        1) No, I don't think you should be able to tease 1h bets. I didn't even know that was a thing.
                        2) No, I don't think you should be able to make a parlay, with a first half side or total, mixed in a with the same game, full game side or total. For example, you shouldn't be able to parlay 1st half over, with game over. That's too correlated in my opinion, and wouldn't be allowed at a book. No one has done it all year, I don't think we should start now.
                        3) yes, I think you can tease a full game total, with a full game side. Just make sure you're betting at the appropriate line.
                        4) yes, I think you could parlay a 1h total, with a 1H side. It's been too long, I don't recall whether books allow that or not. I would think so, as long as they don't consider it a correlated play. With this being near a pickem, I would think they would allow it.

                        You should be careful not to zero out your balance. That would not be prudent at this point. If 2-9 all finish with zero, they would all chop 2nd place. Seeing as Brian Edwards has disappeared, I doubt he'll even make a play, so you may want to leave yourself at least $1 more than his current balance.

                        A small part of me is glad I don't have to figure out the math, on what is the best wager amount. At a glance it gives me a headache. Best of luck to the 3 of you. I'm sure there is a good answer, but I'm not sure what that is. It's different for each of you.

                        Nice run AKN/Stevo!!

                        I'm a little surprised someone hasn't plunked down on the probowl. I don't think we excluded it.

                        "If life throws you curve balls, sit on it, and put it in the 2nd deck"..... yeah, well, that's nice, but I could never hit a damn curve ball.

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                        • #27
                          Thanks for answering Anny. Could you please give us a fair ruling on the following ? I am not familiar with these as I don't do them. I couldn't find full rules but did look. Your answer or ruling will be respected by everyone here I'm sure.

                          Can you do If bets? could you play an If win FH for 8k and if it wins have 16 k then finish with an if parlay on 2nd half and game. Sorry I just don't do these and as you mentioned:

                          People are making decisions based on other people's current bankroll.
                          So just trying to nail down what is allowed "IF BETS" wise. In 20 years i just never did ONE of these. Not trying to be a pain. We are having fun. Just not sure what is allowed at crunch time and Norm can roll with anything so lets play!
                          “You have power over your mind – not outside events. Realize this, and you will find strength.”– Marcus Aurelius

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                          • #28
                            I've never done an if bet so I have no idea how they work. I don't think it's an issue because we're not allowing 2H bets in this contest. Best way to do this for all involved, go to BM/BOL, place a $1 bet on your selection, if they allow it, it's good enough for the contest.
                            "Elections are not decided by those who vote but by those who count the votes"

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                            • #29
                              My question: What's the limitations on point spreads? alternate numbers, buying/selling points?
                              "Elections are not decided by those who vote but by those who count the votes"

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                              • #30
                                O.K. Goon reminded me no 2nd half plays. So you can't use 2nd halves. I'm with Analyzer this is getting a bit confusing mathmatically for me but we are having fun. Thank God Norm does the math.
                                “You have power over your mind – not outside events. Realize this, and you will find strength.”– Marcus Aurelius

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